What We Say About “They Say, I Say” (Which Is Wonderful) with Gerald Graff and Cathy Birkenstein - ABT Kindred Spirits Group #19

Gerald Graff and Cathy Birkenstein, authors of They Say, I Say, join us for this week’s discussion. We talk about the state of academia, narrative vs argumentation, and the so-called “reductive and insulting” nature of both their templates and the ABT.

Also mentioned in this episode is the work that we’re doing on narrative metrics. You can read more about the And Frequency and Narrative Index in our latest book Lincoln But Trump.